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Wednesday, 26 September 2007


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Obviously I haven't been there so I cannot offer advice. That being said I hope that very soon it works out or you find some peace in what has to be done. I am sorry it has been so rough.


Oh sweetie, I am sorry that you're having such a rocky first few days. Don't apologize at all for not being more upbeat -- it's so hard to be positive when you are sleep-deprived.

I'll send you some more info offline. Hang in there, friend. Love to all of you. xx


My son did the same. While we were in hospital he BFed like an old pro, as soon as we got home, he forgot everything. I spent lots of time crying about wanting him to breastfeed and lots more time trying to pump enough to make sure he got my milk and not formula. I was a regular at the LCs office and she couldn't figure out what was up. My son was over a month old before things finally settled and he figured it all out again. I'm glad I didn't give up and breastfed/pumped until he was nearly nine months old.

All this to say: don't give up. It's hard, absolutely, but if you're persistent it may yet happen.


I'm sorry it's so hard. And the hormone craziness you're going through can't be helping the way you feel.

I think the only expectation you can have for yourself right now is that you get through the next little bit. Expecting to get through with a certain mood or a certain feeling isn't realistic. Just get through and know that whatever happens now, you'll all be fine on the other side.

Apologies if that's too ass-vicey, as you don't even know me. But I follow your blog and have for a long time. Mostly I wanted to just send some encouragement.


I'm piping in here with what I'm sure will become a chorus of "Don't give up! I had a terrible time breastfeeding at first, too!" My daughter was born a little early (in the 36th week), she didn't latch properly, I have PCOS, and though we didn't know it, I had a partially retained placenta for the first 5 weeks postpartum, so there were four major problems right there. But, we supplemented, I pumped and pumped, we brought in the lactation consultant, I nearly bled to death and then had a D&C, and eventually we worked through it and I successfully breastfed her for 9 months until she weaned me.

That said, I spent the first 8 weeks of her life so focused on this that I was completely and totally miserable. It was awful. In hindsight, part of me wishes I had pumped what I could, mourned yet another way my body had failed me, and then gotten on with the business of enjoying my (bottlefed) child.

Also, have you seen the breastfeeding with PCOS blog? There's a pretty good discussion of galactagogues there: breastfeedingpcos dot blogspot dot com. April 2007 has a post about herbal and a post about prescription galactagogues.

Good luck. You're not alone.


Oh, please don't worry about being more upbeat! The first night we brought the Bee home I was a wreck -exhausted and panicked that I wouldn't be able to do this, not knowing how to calm my crying newborn. It gets better. Although now that he's in the toddler phase, it's a whole other set of worries!

From what I understand, it takes a while for the milk to really get flowing; they say that newborns aren't all that hungry for the first few days so not to worry. My LCs all said the only thing to increase milk supply was demand - the more nursing (or pumping), the more milk. Please hang in there. I know the hours feel like days. BFing was incredibly challenging - it was brutal at times. It does get better. It takes A WHILE (for me, I felt really comfortable with it at 6 months) but it can happen. Be gentle with yourself, get as much sleep as you can, and hang in there. It's scary and relentless taking care of a newborn for the first time! Now you can sit back and relax that you don't have twins... ;)


I hope things turn around, T. I know how disheartening bf struggles can be.

One thing that helped me was my manual pump. I feel I have a lot more control with it and can get a much more intense "workout" than with the electric. When I need to stimulate production, I use that. Even if I don't get a lot during a particular session, I find that I'll fill up quickly in the hours following. Might be worth a try. Not everyone has success with the manual, but it has been good for me in that respect. I use the Avent ISIS.


Likewise, don't give up! Milk will come in in the next day or two - I bet! It's still very early to be expecting lots of milk there - I think mine didnt come in properly til day 3 or 4 (both babies). Then you will need cabbage leaves in the fridge for your boobs! Good luck.


I will pop in to say that pumping is by no means a way to indicate how much your baby is getting.

Babies are MUCH better at getting milk than a pump. So while you may be only getting a little bit when you pump, she may be getting lots more! One of my favorite websites for breastfeeding is www.kellymom.com
Lots of answers and support there.

It will be ok, the first few weeks are rough as you try to figure it all out.



I'll just add to the chorus. First time I'm commenting, because your post struck a chord....
It's okay to be miserable - hormones are all over the place, you hurt like crazy, and you're responsible for a little creature that you don't know what to do with.
Don't worry about how much you can pump - most people have trouble with let-down with the pump at first, it doesn't mean you're not giving your baby milk. Also, the first few days are colostrum - very tiny amount, high nutrition.
Cautiously, I'd suggest you not supplement as long as she's peeing/pooping - even if she seems hungry. If she feeds all the time, it'll help with your supply. If you supplement, you're going to continue to have issues, even if you pump, because the pump isn't as good as the baby at stimulating the breasts
On the other hand, if she stops making wet/dirty diapers, definitely do supplement, after she feeds from you and while you pump.
Good luck.


What Heather said! Kellymom.com is a great resource, and babies are more efficient at getting your milk out than the pump.

Plus, pumping and breastfeeding are both learned skills, and you are at the steepest part of the learning curve.

Also? Try to remember that your baby's stomach is teeny-tiny right now. Getting only a little milk at a time is normal. Exhausting and crazy-making, but normal.

You may want to call a local La Leche League leader to see if she can help. They are highly trained, all-volunteer, and the leaders shouldn't run down the choices you've made so far, even as they try to help you succeed with exclusive breastfeeding.


Oh Thalia. Give it some time. My milk production didn't increase until after a month--I pumped and feed which was a lot of work!! By the third month I was pumping about 30 oz a day and I was able to start freezing. The first couple of weeks is the most trying...so just give it some time. Try some beer..the darker the better! I found that after I had one bottle of beer my supply increased a little-I was able to pump one extra ounce! And don't worry, with one beer, nothing gets passed to the baby. Check out my blog between Jan-March and I think I talked about all of my breastfeeding struggles! Hang in there!


I'm sorry to hear you're having such a rough few days, hon. I've obviously never been there, but I have heard that it might take some days before your supply comes in in full.

*hugs* Hang in there. I hope it turns around for you shortly.

Thinking of you, Thalia.


thinking of you.


As everyone said above, you should know that you are not alone, so please, please don't feel like a failure. The first month of breastfeeding is difficult for everyone.
Hang in there, sweetie, things will absolutely get better.
And congrats again on your little one.


hello and congrats! i adopted my daughter so she was a formula baby from day one and i know you dont want to hear this but if it comes to formula for you dont worry, you will still bond and she will be great! My daughter was never sick until this week (11.5 months) and yes, she did go through a few weeks of gas issues on formula but i think that is normal. i can only imagine your sorrow over this and honestly, i felt a bit bad when i first got her and could not breast feed but it was short lived and i think she is closer to her daddy too cuz he fed her right from the start too. HAVE FUN!!!

Susan in OR

Oh, Thalia,
Been there too. What everyone above said, and I'd add that you will find that your pumping production varies by time of day etc. Best pumping (and nursing) is after you have been lying down -- apparently, prolactin increases when you've been lying down. So, I got much better volume in the early am than at night. Same with after my own naps (hah).

We had tremendous feeding problems, supplemented early, saw LC every other day for a few weeks, then by 3 months, got DD off the formula, exclusively BF, then found out at 6 mo we needed to add formula again. But, she's 13 mo now, BF morning & night, and thriving!

I felt just like you, body failing me YET AGAIN -- but that's only making you feel bad. You're doing the best you can.

When this part calms down, get a copy of Jack Newman's Breastfeeding book -- he's great!


Oh Thalia. As you know, I have SO been there. Low supply, baby not sucking/latching well, nurse-bottle-pump, herbs, feeling like failure, crying constantly, wanting desperately for it to work. My milk didn't come in until day 5 and I was pumping about .25 ounce (less than 10 ml) per session at first. About 60 ml/day. WIth a lot of hard work I got it up to 5 times that. But it took a lot out of me.

Try not to beat yourself up too much. Right now is absolutely the hardest part. I cried every day for the first week or two. But it gets so much better. And take the breastfeeding one day at a time--things can change a lot in just a few days.

Re: domperidone, read up on it on kellymom.com (search for "domperidone" and go to Jack Newman's articles), and then if you want to try it, you can order from inhousedrugstore.com (they have a toll-free phone number from the US, from the UK too I think). It was a lifesaver for me, but I know it can be controversial.

The "don't supplement" and "baby is better at getting the milk out than a pump" advice is only good if the baby is latching well. It's POSSIBLE that she could get out more than a pump, but honestly I think that's most true for women who have exclusively breastfed and then a month or two down the road are trying to retrain their bodies to let down for the pump. If you've been pumping from the beginning it may not be so true. Best way to tell for sure is to have Pob weighed right before and right after a nursing session to see how much she is really taking in--if your LC or health visitor doesn't have a sensitive enough scale, a local LLL leader may know where you can have this done.

You can reread my Feb-May archives if you want some "you are not alone" reassurance. And, I know I didn't want to hear this when I was where you are, but she will be just as beautiful and brilliant on formula, if that's what it takes.

Also, I'm going to email you my phone #. Seriously. CALL ME.


Want to hear something wierd? I was happily going along a few days ago when all of a sudden I had this thought: I should pray for Thalia to have an easy time breastfeeding. Don't know where it came from but I stopped right there and prayed for that exact thing. I'm so sorry to hear that you are having trouble, although it seems like you are in the best of company. I hope your milk comes in completely and suddenly and that this quickly becomes a distant memory. Hang in there; it's okay to be sad.


hi - just wanted to offer you lots of encouragement and love........you are a great mum - l know that because you love Pob - she was a much longed for little one and she's beautiful....and you are recovering from major invasive surgery - it takes time....go gently on yourself....

Pob will be happy if you are - otherwise she will pick up the vibes - so try to just relax and enjoy her...easier said than done!...then the milk will flow...watch adn wait - in the meantime - how lovely that H can share feeding her - gives you much needed rest time adn H chance to bond too. go with it!

please don't feel guilty for feeling miserable - that's not you, that's hormones! and i'm so glad you have your blog to be miserable too - it let's it out of your system! how lovely to think that we could be at the hospital with you, via technology!!

you will look back in a month's time and things will look/seem very different.

rest when you can, love Pob, love H and love yourself...go gently...i can't wait to see a lovely photo of a beautiful little one, who's so loved - how many "blogging aunties" does she have??!!

hugs love and prayers m x


I feel your pain... I'm sorry you are going through similar things as what I've been dealing with. Try not to beat yourself up over this... it's hard. Its not fair and damnit why can't things go easy for all of us just this once. Hang in there. The pumping does get easier. Eventually... and the breastfeeding does as well - or so I'm told.


Please don't beat yourself up - I know you're tired and hormonal and all - but YOU ARE SO NOT A FAILURE! You just gave birth!!! Breastfeeding is a great thing, yes, but if it doesn't happen, IT IS OKAY. She will thrive.

My son obviously wasn't breastfed, and he's already showing signs of genius! Well, in my opinion any way...

Go easy on yourself!


I just wanted to say that I'm thinking of you - I know it's hard. I remember those early days after the twins only through a haze.


If it helps, you are doing everything right. We had to supplement for about ten days with formula until I had more of a supply come in. As long as you pump every time you give formula, you're still getting the signal that you need more milk. Oatmeal may help with supply too. Quaker makes some oatmeal breakfast bars that are yummy, easy to eat while nursing/pumping, and did seem to help my supply (even though they say the non-instant oatmeal is best).

Also, you probably know this, but what you pump and what Pob gets is totally different. Babies are much better at getting milk than a pump. When my boys skipped a feeding and I pumped instead, I'd be lucky to get 3-4 ounces. I know between them (at that point) they ate way more than 3-4 ounces. Some people just don't pump well and I'm one of them.

Hang in there. I cried every single time I gave them formula because it wasn't what I wanted. *hugs*


The beginning is so, so hard. I think I cried almost every time I nursed Adam those first few weeks. We had latch issues among other problems, and I found breastfeeding extremely difficult. It does get better, though. I didn't believe it could possibly get easier in the beginning, but it did. Hang in there! You're doing great.

Motel Manager

I just emailed you this, but I'm posting it here, too, in case it is useful for anyone else. Forgive the length.

First, as PPs have mentioned, it is generally thought that it takes 4 weeks for you to develop a more or less full supply, so don't assume this won't work.

If it doesn't, though, I thought I'd share my experience.

As one of my IVF (and c-section) pals put it, “I couldn’t have the conception I wanted, the pregnancy I wanted, or the delivery I wanted, but I knew for sure I would breastfeed. And then I had low supply.” I anticipated every issue except low supply – I went to breastfeeding class; I read breastfeeding books; I bought the best pump; I enlisted the support of my husband and everyone I knew; I wrote it very clearly on my birth plan that I wanted to breastfeed exclusively; I bought acidophilus capsules to ward off thrush; I picked my son’s pediatrician largely because she had successfully breastfed four children for over a year each; etc. Somehow, in my mind, the breastfeeding would be redemptive, given all the intervention that went in to everything else.

Once the baby arrived, he had a great latch, and I was sure it was going to go great, but by the second day, the doctors said he was getting dehydrated. In the hospital, they had a milk bank, so we supplemented with donor milk (and I began pumping after every feeding), but once we got discharged that was no longer an option. I was determined to get my supply up. I met with all five lactation consultants in town (three at my hospital, two at a hospital I didn’t even deliver at), attended a weekly breastfeeding support group, took fenugreek capsules and mothers’ milk tea, ate oatmeal, read every article on kellymom.com and drjacknewman.com, got my thyroid checked, etc. All the while, I pumped after every goddamned feeding – so like 10-14 times a day in those first few weeks. I was getting no sleep. I tried Reglan, but it made me NUTS (jittery, deeply fatigued, crazily restless, and insomniac), so I quit after two days. I got domperidone over the Internet and took it for about six weeks, but never really noticed a major effect. I was also weirdly prone to plugged ducts (usually an issue with oversupply), which would further decrease my supply. And despite these heroic efforts to avoid supplementation, my son’s weight kept decreasing. I can’t tell you how frightening and depressing that was. At about three or four weeks, we started supplementing with formula, and he got back on track.

Eventually, I couldn’t keep up all that pumping, and it wasn’t working to boost my supply, anyway. And what the heck do you do with a baby when you need to pump for 15 minutes after you’ve fed him and no one else is around? I dropped my pumping to 6-8 times a day, which is probably when my overall yield was at its highest (since I would actually get a little sleep then). But we were in a situation where I’d breastfeed him for, say, 40 minutes per feeding, and then we’d give him pumped milk, and then we’d give him formula, and then I’d pump, which meant that I wasn’t really getting to experience the baby (or he me) except for feeding, which, in the end, is a small component of parenting. I reached a steady state for a while where I pumped about 3-4 times a day. As my return to work approached, though, I was SO sick of all the pumping that I couldn’t imagine taking several breaks a day to pump out some measly amount. I kept up nursing him at the beginning and end of the day for a few weeks (though my supply took a big hit from this), then weaned him before I took a trip without him. In the end, he was breastfed for four months, even though it was mostly formula from about two months on.

I cried so much over all of this – it was just like being back in infertility hell, except that in some ways it was worse, because if you read message boards you’ll get all these people who think that the only reason you’re not developing a full supply is that you’re not trying hard enough or because you’re supplementing – there is this folk myth that all women can successfully breastfeed. This is just false (and it’s ridiculous, since partial breastfeeding generally involves much more effort than if you could just breastfeed alone). All five of the LCs I saw, as well as the local LLL leader, said that some women just don’t develop a full supply, and they don’t know why. In past centuries, someone else in your family or whatever would have helped breastfeed a baby who wasn’t getting enough. The stat they gave me is that 2-5% of women don’t develop a full supply, which is a small number, but not so small as to be unheard of. It just sucks when it happens to the infertile, who have already been thoroughly disappointed by our bodies.

The good news is that I now actually feel pretty good about the whole breastfeeding experience I had, even though I was sure I would be as bitter towards successful breastfeeders as I was (and still am) towards the very fertile. Physically, it got much easier as time went on, even if I didn’t develop a full supply, so I feel as if I got the bonding component of it.

It helps to make very short-term goals. First, my goal was to get to two weeks. Then it was three weeks. Then four weeks. Then six weeks. Then two months. Then three months. Then 16 weeks. Then four months. If you’d told me when I was in pumping hell at three weeks that I would have made it to four months, I would never in a million years have believed you. But I made it, and four months seems respectable to me somehow, since I know many women with full supply who quit then or earlier. I probably could have continued to do it for longer, but I had this trip planned and didn’t want to take the pump with me (given that I had developed a visceral aversion to it), so I weaned with that in mind. One of my low-supply friends, though, partially breastfed until 10 months, when her supply actually matched up to her daughter’s needs (since the daughter was on many solids by then), and then she ditched the formula and breastfed until her daughter was 2.

A couple of sites I found that were very helpful:
Mothers Overcoming Breastfeeding Issues: http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/default.aspx
Mothering Dot Commune Breastfeeding Challenges board: http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=363

Also, Meg from Journey to the Centre had similar issues, so we emailed a bunch about them.

Hang in there. Oh – also – if you want me to order you domperidone to the US and then ship it to you in the UK, let me know. I’m happy to do so.

PS: One of the things I learned on the MOBI site is that low-supplyers often have better results with future children, since being pregnant and nursing builds up more milk-producing infrastructure. Of course, when I read this, I was kind of like, "Future children! Ha!", but if I do manage to produce another, I will definitely give it another go. Speaking of building up infrastructure, I think Meg tried goat's rue, which is the only thing I didn't try and which is supposed to build up your boobs. I didn't learn about it until I'd already started weaning.


Post partum hormones suck! I am so sorry you're anything less than 100% happy. I hope the breastfeeding gets easier...in the meanwhile, cut yourself some slack. You are doing the absolute best you can do - and that's ALL you can do.

Mary Ellen

Thinking of you and Pob. xo

Sunny Jenny

Oh, I am so sorry. It must be rough. Have to talked to someone about post partum depression? Keep an eye on it and talk to someone. Thinking of you and your adorable little one!


Another way to tell how much she's getting at a feed is to weigh her diaper. I was weighing Ant before and after nursing at the beginning, and also changing his diaper with each nursing session. I found that the weight of the diaper equalled the weight change before/after nursing almost exactly.

It totally stinks that breastfeeding is not as easy as it's supposed to be. But then we all know that getting pregnant is not as easy as it's supposed to be either. Stupid myths!


Congrats again on your pob's arrival. I am sorry the nursing is such a challenge. Better days ahead . . .

Betty M

That first week is tough and I can remember being regularly in floods of tears so you are very much not alone. I have little to add to all the sensible comments above - the only thing I would say is has the lactation counsellor checked for tongue tie? I visited a friend and her newborn on Monday and they had been having a terrible time with the feeding - poor latch, expressing a nightmare, weight loss etc and it turned out to be an easily fixable tongue issue (none of the midwives/health visitors etc had spotted it) and feeding is now all resolved. Anyway I join the chorus of hang in there. Looking forward to seeing photos of the beautiful little POB. x


Haven't read comments - but don't pump. You can't gauge your supply that way. bet she's getting more out than you are. Get a Lactation Consultant, and dump the pump for now.


Oh Thalia, it is really hard! If you can, talk to a LaLeche woman. In the hospital the nurses not necessarily give you the best info about breastfeeding. Hang in there, and even if it works it will take some weeks before it gets easy.

Carla Hinkle

Don't worry about your supply being low -- she's only a week old! Some people's milk has barely come in by then. Give yourself a break, just do the best you can do and set yourself small goals. "I will do this (BF/pumping) for one more week." Then when the week comes, re-evaluate.

I say this as one who looooooved BF and did it for 9 months with the 1st baby, and 8 months with the 2nd:

ANY amount of breast milk you give her is great. If it is a week, she's getting great colostrum. A month? Great. 3 months? Great. A year or more? Great! You are doing wonderfully.

Hang in there, the first few weeks are always tough. And Congratulations!!1


Oh pumping. What fun! Sorry I had to chuckle. I just sent my rented hospital pump back earlier this month and was never so happy to see an item leave this house! Hang in there. Pumping is hard, but don't get down on yourself (know that is easier said then done). When the trio was in the NICU for two months, I had such a hard time pumping. They always recommended that I sit and look at the babies while I pumped to encourage my milk supply. For me that only caused more stress. I would sit and think about how I was failing my babies. Oddly my supply started to finally increase when I stopped looking at the kiddos (and the clock) and started reading Hollywood magazines! Sometimes I would get so into my magazine that I would lose track of time and the pump would shut itself off. Give it time and you'll find what works for you. And if it just doesn't work remind yourself that Pob already has the best nurishment - a loving mother and father - and nothing can top that!


First of all: Congratulations! I don't generally tend to comment but had to chime in on this one. When my son was born 14 months ago, I was determined to breastfeed and had read all of the requisite books and attended a class as well. He was born via emergency c-section two weeks early and I had some very serious complications that put me in the hospital for the better part of two weeks. Like your daughter he nursed well in the recovery room, but was too sleepy in the days after that. A nurse told me she thought he had a sucking issue. After a couple of days I stopped being able to nurse because I was put on medication incompatible with breastfeeding. I continued to pump but was too sick to do so more than four times a day. My supply was virtually nonexistent. At that point, I was convinced that I would never be able to breastfeed and only continued pumping because of my husband's encouragement. But lo and behold, when I put my son to the breast after four weeks of exclusive bottle feeding (!) he nursed perfectly for 20 minutes and continued to do so after that. Within about a month he was exclusively breastfed - without any heroic measures on my part such as pumping before and after every feeding. I guess my message is to have patience and to compromise for a little while if you need to. I certainly don't think breastfeeding is always easy. But it also isn't true that you won't succeed if things don't work out in the beginning. I was very stressed because I was under the impression that you either breastfeed successfully within the first week or two or you will never succeed again. But some modest effort and time were all that was needed in my case.


Hey hey hey...what makes you think she isn;t getting enough milk from you? And 10mls per pumping sesh is pretty good for 6 days! I too would cautiously suggest you stop supplementing and just let her feed. Do some biological nurturing (google Suzanne Colson), take baths with her, skin to skin as much as possible and let her have constant, free and unfettered access to the breast. That's the only thing that will increase supply. If she is weeing and pooing she is getting milk. Just go to bed with her if need be and just feed, and get H or whoever to feed you. If you keep supplementing with a bottle, the danger is she'll only want this, as it's a lot easier to get milk from a teat than a boob, however abundant the milk!!

Good luck (and I'm a midwife, if that makes my assvice any more palatable).


Oh, and might be worth cup feeding if you do decide to carry on supplementing - the sucking issue could well be related to a bit of breast/bottle confusion - http://www.ambermed.co.uk/Amber%20IL070.doc

Re sucking issues: I'm assuming you've been told all this, but you can try drawing out the nipple before feeding with a cut off syringe (just cut the end off, fix over nip and withdraw the plunger), or stimulating the suck by letting the baby suck your finger before putting her on. Ultimately she will learn to suck by just allowing her free access to the breast.

Once again, the best of luck and best wishes xxx


Hey Thalia. I know how you feel. And you've read about it so I won't go on here.

I buy dom online. For it to work, you need to start as early as possible. Send me an email and I'll let you know where. ;)Also there is a herb named shatavari that works similar to dom - lots of the mobi (www.mobimotherhood.org - amazing resource!) women have had success with it. You buy it from a company called ayerceutics.

Do they have you using a haberman for your daughter's suck?



I feel a bit cloak-and-daggerish but ... you can get domperidone in the UK from http://www.inhousepharmacy.co.uk - I've ordered various illicit substances from them over the years - v. quick never been stopped by customs etc.

I don't know what kind of irl life support you're getting for the breastfeeding but I just thought I'd share my experience. I had a really tough time with my daughter, there were lots of contributory factors (not least that she was a few weeks premature & even a little can have a massive difference when it comes to breastfeeding), we worked it out eventually but it was not easy. Anyway what I remember very clearly was being so angry at the people who (with the best of intentions) who try and make me feel better by telling me formula feeding wasn't the end of the world or that by just trying I was doing my best. I felt incredibly undermined. Breastfeeding was (is) massively important to me and unfortunately I found that there are people around who will seek to diminish it.

This part is really tough .. the toughest bit .. you'll find your way & it'll be great but you'll look back & think f*ck how did I survive it!.

Much love!


Oh I just wanted to add - this company will send it again for free if you get caught up by customs.

julie B

it's so unfair after such trials to get the baby, that the breastfeeding is then hard. And then you find out that 90% of other mothers all have breastfeeding issues!

I was a disaster with the pump - the most I ever managed was 50mls total, from hours of hysterically overtired sobbing, following hours of breastfeeding. It doesn't work for everyone, especially if you are well endowed.

We ended up on domperidone, with a combo of breast and formula - for god's sake, ignore all the things people say about the bottle and top her up with formula! At least you will know that she is getting enough food. We ended up with one very starving baby, after midwives pushed and pushed and pushed the breast, only allowing 20mls formula at a time.

Apparently Domperidone will only increase the supply by a max of 20%, so don't expect miracles - but I was happily on it for 8 months, with no obvious side effects for me or my daughter.

Urban Chick

it came as a real shock to me to realise that breastfeeding is not an instinctive thing either for the mother or the baby

if i had a pound for every friend of mine who has had trials and tribulations with b/fing, i'd be a rich woman!

anyway, just wanted to say hang in there and send you some ((hugs))


Jo in Utah

With my grand daughter, when my daughter pumped I think she got like a tablespoon, really. And the LC at the hospital said,anytime in the first 3 weeks or so, to build a supply, really isn't a problem. You really need to pump at least every two hours. BF is supply and demand, the more often and the longer you pump/breastfeed, you make more milk. It takes your body 48 hours to catch up to the demand part. Hang in there, really. Have you thought about a nipple shield? Medula makes a very nice silicone one, that is easy to use. My daughter in law used one the first few weeks for sucking problems, (inverted nipples) and the baby did great after that. I am sorry you are miserable, but I am glad you said so, hopefully with all the different experiences your readers will give you some good advice. And btw? The first 6 weeks are pretty miserable for everyone, really. It gets better.

My Reality

This is an adjustment period for all of you, try not to beat yourself up. Pob is learning how to eat on the outside at the same time you are learning how to feed her. I don't have any advice, just warm thoughts being sent your way. And try not to be too hard on yourself, you have just given birth and things are supposed to be up and down.


I'm in the same boat - and think our babies were born on the same day?

Pumping as I type! I started on Monday after every feed and have gone from 2-5ml now getting 30mls after some feeds. The nurses say that once you get production going there will be huge increases.

It is a scary time - funny how bad its made me feel to have to use formula for top-ups.

I think this is going to be an exercise in persistence - much like trying to conceive was.


Hopefully it all starts working itself out. It's amazing what this relaxing is supposed to fix, though, isn't it?



Congratulations! Isn't it amazing that your body carried a baby for 9 months?
I have no advice since I don't have a child.


Hey, I just remembered something. My body refused to give the milk to the pump while I had heaps, nothing would come out. What we did was put the baby on one breast and my husband would hold the pump on the other. I would try not to look at the pump but focus on the baby. It makes sense because there are two sorts of hormones involved, one that actually makes the milk and one that triggers the let-down. So what ever happens keep on putting the baby on your breast as often as possible...

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